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The Hopi Elders answer questions - part 1 of 5

AMERICAN INDIAN NEWS TICKER!!!

The Hopi Elders answer questions

on the Art Bell Radio Show on June 16, 1998

Part 1

GF1=Grandfather 1

GF2=Grandfather 2

GM =Grandmother

GW=Robert (Interviewer)

AB: Good morning, everybody. I'm Art Bell and if we get our phones hooked up right, and we've just had a disconnect problem, we are going to, in this half hour, have two Hopi Elders on the program. We've never tried this before. Unfortunately, we just got a disconnect and we're getting a busy signal trying to get back through. So, bear with us. We will have all this connected shortly. We'll find out about that in a moment and he'll give us kind of a preamble to what's going to happen.

{Commercials}

AB: Here we go. This has never been tried on national radio before, so anything may happen here, folks. I have no idea. First, we are going to go to Robert, who is out somewhere in the Dakotas. Where ARE you, Robert?

GW: I'm in the Black Hills.

AB: Black Hills. Of North Dakota?

GW: South Dakota. I'm here with the family. It's Pow-Wow time. We're just all here together, and I'm going to be talking to some other Elders up here, possibly, about getting together with us.

AB: Would you explain to us?..uh, we are about to hear two Hopi Elders. We are not going to give their real names on the air. We are going to call them "Grandfather 1", "Grandfather 2", and "Grandmother Hopi." Why are we doing this?

GW: There has already been a lot of controversy about these Elders stepping out and speaking like this, to the world, and they have had some threats made against them already, so we are taking precautions to make sure that they're safe. I hope the people can understand this. And, I also hope that people understand that these people are not professional speakers or lecturers. We're going to do the best we can to make this run smoothly, as soon as we get the phone lines hooked up again.

AB: All right. I think we ARE hooked up. Anyway, that is the explanation. There HAVE been threats.

GW: It's very dangerous for something like this to happen and it's very unusual for Elders to come out and speak like this. The thing is, we've hit a point, in our progression through these changes, where it's important to get the news out. It's important for the children of the world. It's important for all of us to hear what they have been trying to say, now, for many, many years.

AB: All right. Let's see if we can get the hook-up going here. I believe we're going to Phoenix, Arizona and let's see if we have Grandfather 2 on the line with us. Hello?

GF2: Hello. How!

AB: Yes, hello there.

GF2: Hi!

AB: I hear you just fine.

GF2: Ok.

AB: Thank you for coming on the air tonight. You are going to give us information, Grandfather 2, and also translate for us?..is that correct?

GF2: Yes.

AB: Ok. I think that my first question?..if I may ask the first question?..and Robert, you're welcome to ask one any time you'd like. I would like to ask Grandfather 1 why he has come forward in public at this time?

GF2: {Asks GF1 in Hopi language, then translates.}

GF1: {Answers in Hopi language.} It is our time to bring forth the message into the world. It has been taught to us by our Elders, from way back. That is why I have chosen to step forward and bring out the message today. There are people out there who are leading two lives?..who are there to stop us from putting forth the message, but it is the Elders, that taught us the wisdom, that are telling us to do this now for you and the rest of the world.

AB: With regard to what may be changing, Earth changes, is the time now very short?

GF2: {Asks, then translates.} It is time for the end times here, that was prophesized and through the dreams that were given to us also. Through those dreams, we are learning that we are getting very close to the end times.

AB: Might we ask how old Grandfather 1 is? His age?

GF2: {Asks?} Seventy-five. 75 years old.

AB: 75 years old. And, how old are the prophecies that we are talking about now?

GF2: {Asks?} He doesn't know exactly what the age of these teachings are. He says they were given to them before Christ. It is mainly by word of mouth that it has been handed down.

AB: How does Grandfather feel about the accuracy of the word that has been handed down? Many people dispute the Bible and whether or not IT is accurate. With regard to Hopi prophecy, how does HE feel about the accuracy of the prophecy?

GF2: {Asks?} From the time when (?) was the chief, he had been carrying this message. But mainly the message had been carried forth by word of mouth. The accuracy had to deal with how well each individual that was given the opportunity to maintain the exactness of the prophecies. They were all given this prophecy, so they all had to meet at least once or twice a year, in the Kivas, where they would actually sit down and go back through that. One person would talk about the prophecies, and if he ever so much as added something to it or left something out, then the rest of the group would know that part of the prophecies was missing. So, they would tell him, "Well, you didn't say this one here," or "You added this to it." So, that is how this was kept alive through word of mouth and everyone had to remember just what those prophecies were about.

AB: Is Grandfather, or are you and others now having many dreams indicating that indeed these are the end times beginning to unfold?

GF2: {Asks?} Yes, I have dreamed about these things and that's how a lot of them are coming about and they are true.

AB: Uh, Robert? Help me out here?

GW: He would probably be willing to share any of his visions of what he see coming in the immediate future.

GF2: I can't hear you, Robert.

AB: Ok, the question is, would Grandfather care to share any specific details of the dreams that he has had about what may be coming soon?

GF2: {Asks?} It wasn't exactly through the dreams. The dreams were part of the teachings that he knows and having to understand the exactness of the prophecies themselves. He had to go out and do a lot of prayers. And then, he would go and do this and was doing this for a whole year. Within a year's time, he had kind of lost interest in the giving of the prophecies to him, because he hadn't received anything. So, he decided to quit for awhile. Finally, within a few months, he decided to go back to his prayers and he would go out and pray. Within four year's time, he started receiving a lot of information. So, that is how most of his information was received?..through asking?..prayer.

AB: Could we please ask why he has decided to share it with the rest of the world? This is something that has not been done before, so why has he decided to share this with us?

GF2: {Asks?} Through the Elder's teachings and wishes. The Elders wanted to let this become public at a time when we were close to the end times. So, he had decided to take this upon himself to let go of these things, in hopes that there would be a number of people that would understand and realize what is going on and start praying. We ARE very close to it and we are, right now, going through hard times. He wants to set some people aside?..their lives?..so that some lives may be spared.

AB: That was going to be my next question, Grandfather, and that is, if you would ask Grandfather 1 whether prayer, whether becoming spiritual of nature, can or will change any of what is coming?

GF2: {Asks?} It's not a matter of quick change. If you wanted to change now and change your life around and do your prayers, it will help a little in the alleviation of much terrible outcome from the cataclysms. There is a lot in store for all of us and the intensity of this will be a lot less if we can all settle down and behave and not be in the way of the actions we have right now?..like we are all being corrupt. That has to be taken care of. We have to keep ourselves from being corrupted by anything from the outside.

AB: All right. We are going to stop for a moment, now, so everybody relax. Thank you very much. It is a great honor, indeed, to have Grandfathers 1 and 2 with us, and Robert in the Black Hills. We're talking about Hopi prophecy, and when we come back, we'll try to press for some details as best we can. I'm Art Bell. This is "Coast-to-Coast AM."

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